Hey, Alan,

"going back to see the urologist who squeezed me to hard on thursday.not going to let him exam me again,going to request an ultrasound scan"

Yeah, go for it! Sounds good.

Feel free to send email to me (I don't always check here). northernspy@ verizon.net

Btw, that's DYNAMIC ultrasound -- very important. The "dynamic" part means they make you move around during the scan. Check out that Denver website that gives a great explanation (where I learned about it) and make sure whoever does your ultrasound knows that moving around helps detect hernias.

http://www.riainvision.com/invision/patientinfo/conditions/patinfo_cond_hernia_sub.asp

> also dont want anymore anti biotics untill proven infection there

That's between you & your doc (obviously) but sticking to antiobiotics, at least for a month is probably not crazy, especially if you have pain on urination or if you find they help. What made my situation a little confusing is I have a hernia AND an infection.

I can't 100% prove this, but there's evidence that MANY of us guys with hurtin' balls in fact have hernias. My evidence includes:

- incredible ignorance about this, such as the hernia surgeon who told me I have "none of the symptoms of a hernia" and the "proved" I have no hernia by looking at a CT Scan (!!) and a urologist who told me my pain wasn't even where a hernia occurs (he was right, in a way -- but my pain is in a place where inguinal hernias typically REFER pain). So I suspect many, many of use are getting bad advice.

- the fact that several studies have taken men (and women) with pelvic pain and done laparoscopic studies just on faith (without any evidence of hernia, except that the patients had different kinds of pelvic pain for years and nothing had helped them). In a very significant number of cases, they found hernias, fixed them, and that resolved all pain! (by "laparosopic studies" I'm referring to a kind of minimally invasive surgery). But, probably unfortunately, investigative laparoscopic surgery is not routine for chronic pelvic pain of unknown origin (in part because it's not 100% risk free).

ANYWAY the key thing is you know there's an answer out there for you, and eventually you'll find it. Fab!

Spy